I have been an online gamer since I went to college and part of making a game, we also had to test out so many games on and offline so we can successfully create our own. Lately I have been thinking about somethings and concerning this site, I'm beginning to wonder about some posts on here. I liked the Burnout series bc when you went online, the people were friendlier and cooler than in other games and game genres. Yes playing Burnout is extremely crazy and violent in some aspect, still you find mostly cool people on it.
Now it seems, that even in Burnout, and Burnoutaholics; poison is beginning to spill over. We have wise cracking people believing that are righting some sort of injustice against criterion, posting ridiculous posts with provactive titles (just like mine lol), all to get people talking and becoming more savage monsters than human beings. What happend to the bond that us burners shared. There is a reason why I don't join clans, even fraternities or any group. Those reasons are begging to spill over onto this website. Seems the maturity level on here is decreasing as time goes on. When did us burner's become so vein and closed-minded, so rude to each other? Don't blame the game for talking about Takedowns and Revenge and Paybacks. It's bad enough that the game is changing, you can either change with it or leave. I gaurantee those who do not like paradise, have not progressed to their full potential to see the pros over cons in the game is still worth it. I didn't like Paradise when I first played it either, but I gave it a chance like I have with all Burnout titles.
But this is what most online gamers, gamers in general are. Just people who live through their gaming bc for some odd reason, it's maybe better than the reality they live. Why would someone join the site just to be rude, or to say that they hate the game lol. Pointless...
I guess I ignored what Burnoutaholics really meant. What can be done to save this site?
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Rofer
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 00:52
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I used to
come to this site as a regular before paradise came out, now that i have no game to love and talk about anymore, theres only one thing i have left to do, and that is bash the game that ruined it for me, and all the gamers like me. I don't think it's a matter of what has happened to this site, just a matter of what has happened to the great series of burnout?? The "great" aspect of the series is now just a thing of the past.
I too am working on video game programming, I hope to become a developer for a game that is like revenge except way better.
Jinno Angelo
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 01:24
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You guys are Funny...
1st: I dont think this is something to make a big deal of.... most of the people that play here know each other all too well already... And most of the people have been playing Burnout be it Revenge or Paradise probably see this as just joking with each other... I seem to be lost, where exactly is the "hate" stemming from this site? I mean I hate rofer, but I hate GT too... LOL... If you dont see the sarcasm there, Man.. I wouldnt know what to say.. LOL..
2nd: Rofer is funny for calling people arch enemies... LOL... That is the funniest thing I have seen today and for that I tip my hat to you...
3rd: If this has something to do with the saying that your not a Fan of Paradise or not a Fan of Criterion? and that it may have struck a nerve with some people.... I think that whoever got angry by seeing that post, well.. lets just say whoever got angry with that, is a "serious" true fan... LOL.. Oh and on the topic of Paradise... Most Revengers did play it, and gave it a chance... I think that people know exactly what they like and dislike and can tell if they like the game the moment they played it.. Its just, Paradise, well, ..... they didnt like it.... and no amount of time on the game will change it... Just like getting burned, you put your hand on the fire... you get burned.. you know it hurts, you dont like it... Bam, I bet youd never burn yourself again... And for people that do like to Burn themselves?? Thats why we have the Psychiatric Hotline...
4th: Rofer cracks me up... because Kevlar is now his arch enemy... LOL... and he is actually serious about it.. ROFLMAO!!
5th: GT is one of the coolest people I know.... He is my Burnout Rival and I dont just hate Him, I despise Him...I really despise him.... LOL.. But he's still cool enough for me to keep on my friends list after deleting him 500 times, and I give him props for not shooting the deputy...
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"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
jwillisjr
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 14:03
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Glad you find it funny
Jinno,
I'm glad you find it funny. I get how amusing some of the nonsense is between people on the site and in life in general. What goes on between you and your friends is another matter, not what I am talking about. What is the percentage of people that do not know each other, don't they deserve to come to a BS free forum for once just to keep updated about Burnout? It's just common decency towards people in general on this site. What I find funny, is people with a big rude mouth on the internet, knowing that if they were face to face with some people they wouldn't even say half of the ish they say on live or psn ( not talking about you, you made your statement that you were sarastic to the ppl that you actually know). You don't know what could be going on with them internally, just chill out. Most forums are not taken seriously or with a certain level of respect because of some of the points you and I have listed already.
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
Rofer
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 15:17
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I would say the same crap
In real life, because its the truth. Just these places have the only people that care enough to hear about burnout.
ZombieTron
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 15:42
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jwillisjr
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 15:42
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same here
same here. there is a difference between being a rude mouth and speak the truth when needed. So obviously the comment was not direct towards you.
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
Rofer
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 15:46
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Ok sorry
If i'm mistaken, i thought you were talking about me.
SUFFUR
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 15:49
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but you do rofer
it's like a broken record, and you still come back, with nothing constructive, you don't even write anything about Revenge other than it's the best?
No stories, nothing and that goes for the rest of the Revengers, if it's so good write about it, but instead zip other than talk to yourselves with multi tags, is that all the Revengers become, 10 people with ten tags going, i don't like you, or your owned. To themselves, lol. Looks like a lose lose situation, please do carry on, we will get on with playing something else.
Criterion need to created a forum game just so you lot can be happy, lol, flaming each other.
No wonder why Criterion went to look for another audience, then again I don't love Paradise either and the racing is still messed up, it worse than Kev's Vocab, I'm sure I'm learning a new language on Paradise, mostly staring the letter F!
But I still play it more than any other game, because I get it, it's a driving game, with an open world, then again Fuels out this week, come on fuel'aholics?
And we need a forum counter too, it seems most spend more time foruming and flaming rather than playing too, lol?
Patience is something I taught myself, so I never know when it's going to run out?
Patience is something I taught myself, so I never know when it's going to run out?
kevlar0
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 16:02
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Far reaching fame.
Not content on slating me on here, gopher has decided to have a pop on the xbox.com forums, WTG. http://forums.xbox.com/27447319/ShowPost.aspx#27447319
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Rofer
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 16:03
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I would be playing revenge 2 right now
But instead i'm doing real driving. I never did care about talking or making stories for people, all i wanted to do is have the experience i wanted. I don't like driving too often because gas money is a problem. So what i have left is the complaining to do that makes up for my lack of going fast. if i come across as an ass because of this then so be it, but the truth is i am a really nice and considerate guy in real life. When i'm on the internet only one thing matters to me and that is having fun. If a revenge game diddn't have handicap then i would be racing anybody at any time because it wouldn't matter to me i would still be having fun.
Jinno Angelo
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 16:46
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Seriously...
What exactly are you guys expecting tho? Ultimately as the game becomes older, the number of people becomes less and less and over time we will be playing the same people... again and again... and differences do pop up...
But thats not to say that its all bad either... even if its just 10 people playing it... because at least some level of communication is occuring and whether people like it or not, theres still some relationship there... of course it could be a bad one.. but hey thats life... differences will pop up and its not just this website... its everywhere... and with respect to this site and Zombie for moderating it, but banning topics will not stop it..
Rofer does come in here and talk a lot about Revenge..and he usually says one liners... even if it is B.S. and he feels that the other games are B.S, compared to it.. I can see why he would write stuff like that.. Theres nothing to write about Revenge anymore.. anyways.. what are you expecting? Everything has been said and done...
I dont think Kev should single out Rofer either... because it seems to me that he's singling him out from his previous posts.. Maybe Im wrong? But I dont see it that way when I read it... Just my opinion, and I have the deepest respects for Kev..
And yes, you are right.. It is courtesy to new members coming into this site.. to go into a site that doesnt have any flaming and generally a comfortable environment... but really? Is that really ever going to happen?.... anywhere?.... Thats what makes us human, because we do have emotions.. and in some ways, that attracts people to this site too....
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"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
zerojay
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 16:49
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Hah
Rofer's line about making video games is one of the funniest things I've ever read.
jwillisjr
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 16:53
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We are on THIS site. Not anywhere else
Jinno,
Ofcourse you make a good point about this can happen anywhere and that is true. However, "anywhere" is not a controlled environment, unlike a members only forum should be. People choose to come here for a common goal of that they like the series and want to have fun and talk with other burners. We have to keep that in mind. A controlled environment in the sense of how their are certain rules and laws to protect people and their views.
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
kevlar0
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:06
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Nero, you pushed the buttons.
I didn't single him out, nor do i hate him, you started a thread that was always going to end badly, as i don't suffer fools gladly, and his comments were out of order.Because of this, one of us is no longer going to be a member on this site by the end of the day because of your very funny blogs about enemies. cheers dude.
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Jinno Angelo
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:15
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Cool...
Jwillis...
First of all, I definitely like the conversation were having here.. You've made good points and certainly have earned my respects... So yh, man your cool ...
On a topic of a controlled environment... You can make a controlled environment, but you cannot control everything because you nor I dont have control over people's opinions and feelings or what they will do... Your right about a controlled environment and protecting people from their views.. But what your expecting is for a forum or site in which members just happily sing Kumbaya together... You cant seriously expect people in this site to start posting here without clashing opinions with another person (?????), and obviously some emotions will run high because of differences... If you can figure out a way to stop that.. I tip my hat to you...
This site has been controlled very well.. IMO.. Its just that its going to happen... Were all humans, unless youre the Terminator in which case you'll just terminate us all.....
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"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
Jinno Angelo
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:26
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The enemy thread?
Cheers to you too... LOL... So youre leaving because of that?.. Funny... or am I going to be kicked out.. LOL... You two always push each other's buttons... I think its kind of amusing... Why not take it lightly Kev? You guys take it so seriously.... You guys are never gonna meet in real life ... just joke around it...
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"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
SUFFUR
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:24
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But the Hanicap is part of the game
And thats what it is, a game, and it's supposed to be fun, and I can agree with most agruments that Paradise racing is not fun, and the traffic is the handicap and the TD phiz, and the lag and syncing of players and traffic and timelines too and stupid crash glitches! But since it effects everyone we put up with it like the handicap in Revenge with it's crap TD Phiz. And we all drive real cars Rofer, have been for 30 years for some of us (but when I have too, not Sunday driving, as that is just a waste of fuel), but rather save money driving on a game, sort of ecco friendlyish, well better than oil use anyway, which people don't get when the oil runs out no consoles, no clothes, no medicine (no not all of them some are made from caulk (sp) and willow bark), because we will use it all up in combustion engines, what a waste.
Anyway Tangent, and you admit you have nothing good/nice to say so why bother? We all know you hate Paradise, but do you have to come back and repeat the same stuff again and again, you don't even list the problems you find wrong, like a programmer, let alone like a player?
So I can see why Kev would go ape on you, I would too, but then it's just a game, and this is just a fan site, if your not a fan why show up in the first place.
Don't get me wrong you got m4d 3l173 skills for Revenge, but is that your net worth, and the same with Jinno, you even said I just like to talk trash rather than play, maybe a talk show/podcast would be better suited rather than playing games on a electronic media.
It seems because no Revenege 2 came out, it has become a hate fest, to something that is already 1 and 1/2 years old, and the only people that should be qualified to dis Paradise is the people playing it?
You had your say, plagerised as it was Rofer, so why add fuel to a fire that was supposed to gone out for Revengers, so long ago?
Revenge could of had a lease of life if there some positive feedback, but all I saw was, Paradise sux, Revenge for ever even with it's flaws, then again how long would people be playing it if there was no boost jump bug? Or the lack of Handicap, no tight racing to be had.
Not me for starters, and if the comms was working on BO3 I would still be there, it had more tracks, better TD phiz, and no-one gets bored of 6 laps of tropical drive in a road rage? (and yes Sonic I would play it on purpose if it worked, lol, it did for BO3!)
Someone said the Around Paradise was equal to 2 tracks the other day, thats what I find odd about Paradise it is so small, that even noobs think Around Paradise is an event too long???
Anyway back on topic, a game is designed for a specified purpose and we have to abide by what has been created, live with it, don't with it, complain, don't but if you are, back it up by at least playing it through and talking about what issuses you have. Then again why should you, you only care about the fun of winning on Revenge?
I can't believe I have come back to "Rofer hates paradise" comments, you really stir it up dude, same with you Jinno, why bother, as it does not really stimulate postive feed back.
And Jwillisjr, this site is fine, so are the fans and haters lol, but we all hoped Paradise was better, it's a good game, but it not outstanding like it's predisessors (sp) it good for so much and so far, but the only people that should bytch about it is it's players not its haters, as they walked away from it a year and a half ago!
And I had the worsed racing on a game for the last 4 days, only won 2 races and only one counted and that was in the Paradise Cup S 1, roll on the Second season, with the added island it may be different, but we will see, when we coughed up the do'h!
This site was started, (i missed an 't' in a previous one I'm sure), by Xandu for his friends from Burnout meet ups to look at picture of our selves getting dessip, lol, (and I also think he did it because he Loves Zombie, because she is the biggest with Bump, and bestest fan of all Burnout games and Criterio, and yes Alex I will never forget what you said) and has gone on to be a great site about the burnout games and Criterion, not that they like us, but it was people like us that made them popular in the first place, since Revenge, there are at least 20 plus sites dedicated to some form of Paradise game play, but only a few sites that stick to all the Burnout games, Xandu has FAQ's that cover so much it's scary intensive. And he has done amazing work, hard work, in his own time for free, well some donations, but mostly for free, and they let me get away with murder maybe? Though character assassination is moderated, lol.
I remember when Xandu and Zom went to Criterion, what day that was for them, me and thier friends, and when Pardise came out, most went WTF! Where were they going with it? They left what was great about the game to just driving about, ok, fine, and some stayed because it was so different, and some went crying on about it, like me, but I still played and payed for it and all the GCC/DLC, except the Party Pack, if it was online maybe I would have got it, anyway I seem to be repeating myself like you Rofer, but at least I wrote more than a sentence or a short forum paragraph, that was in my own words and not 'yeah what he said' though your last couple were good, and seemed like original words, you weren't told what to write were you? LOL.
I think because of the new generation of consoles, which brings new customers/players so new that they don't even know what went on before to get to Paradise, and that is fine because this site shows Criterion's past games, though why anyone one would play Revenge because if seems to be full of Elite haters, why play with people that have their noses in the air, because Paradise was not what they wanted.
I am glad you are learning to be programmer Rofer, get on with it and create Revenge Type 2, it should keep you so busy you should not be able to post some of the rubbish you do come up with. And when it's done, send me a copy 4 free, and I hope, and better like it? Because you know what could happen I could turn in to you, and Bytch Bytch Bytch, but I hope not, I hope it will be awesum, and then I will know the best car racing arcade programmer out there, and i MIGHT THEN COME AND FIND YOU AND BUY YOU A BEER! I would be easy to spot, I'm an Inch taller and better looking even with my hair falling out, lol.
So shut up and make that game, and put some time into it, really study hard it will pay off, you should not have anytime to play Revenge either, as you have a huge task to do and a lot of fans to please!
Patience is something I taught myself, so I never know when it's going to run out?
And another pointless comment brought to you by suf, and that bit inbetween each second that counts too!
And since I took so long to write this I probably missed something, lol
Patience is something I taught myself, so I never know when it's going to run out?
jwillisjr
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:30
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Same here
Jinno,
Point taken and thanks. I had to drop a reminder of the theory of a controlled environment when it comes to members only forums. This thread is a good one because we finally get to voice our opinions like human beings (respectfully. That's my point). On another note, I was looking at the Xbox live terms of use a while ago for online gaming, and their attempts at a controlled environment impressed me very much. We pay on their to have a safe environment and they actually do what they have to do to do what they can to help. Still things get by without them knowing, but wow. Hats off to them.
Terminator lol, good one.
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
"The sleep of reason produces monsters" -Goya
Jinno Angelo
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:32
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Nice...
Good blog Suffur.... Good call...
I think this might be our cue to leave Rofer... LOL...
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"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
kevlar0
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:38
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I have an idea!
Why don't you go **** yourself, I'm glad you find it amusing, unfortunately I don't, you alone have managed to get my back up to the point that I don't want to post here anymore. In future don't post anything about me or relating to me. now **** off and leave me alone.
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
- edited by me to get rid of the nasty swear words, ZombieTron -
Jinno Angelo
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 17:43
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I have another Idea...
Fine Kev, I wont post anything about you...
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"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
"There's Jinno, One of the Twin Angels" - DjSubzero18 (Burnout Revenge Online, 3/20/ 2009).
ZombieTron
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 19:36
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Comments Locked
Please feel free to use our PM function to continue any private conversations, however I feel everybody has been given the opportunity to say how they feel about this subject so I am now locking the comments.
Please follow the Terms of Use as I posted above, you can find these in our left hand menu for those times when you feel you need reminding of the rules here.
This site is controlled, and right now it is being controlled by a 6 months pregnant lady with limited patience and raging hormones, so please be nice, play nice, play the games we all love and try to remember what we have in common as opposed to always focussing on the negative differences between us.
Thanks,
ZombieTron